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Mysterious Ways

Someone described "Mysterious Ways" as having a "closer resemblance to conventional pop music of the time (1991)." This was included in the section about "new fans" which makes it a little suspicious. I personally cannot see any important similarities between "conventional pop music," which is a very strong and limiting term, and "Mysterious Ways." There are vague traces of dance music in "Mysterious Ways," but the song features bongos, wah-wah gutiars, layers of effects, and drum loops with rock guitars; overall, it is quite objectively not very similar to "conventional pop music" of 1991, which is a vague term in and of itself, but could be said to include urban R&B and dance not totally disimilar from today's dance, hip-hop and pop music. It bears certain similarities to successful then-contemporary bands like the Stone Roses or even Primal Scream, but these Madchester types of groups were certainly not "conventional pop music" either by their own admission or the admission of their audiences. Or to give another example, even though grunge music was immensely popular at the time, it could not be said to be "conventional pop music," since it's sound was so far removed from the most consistently successful kinds of pop songs. Again, I don't think this is nitpicking and I don't think this is a subjective issue at all.

its correct it sounds like the music of that time especially MADCHESTER sound — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.140.192.0 (talk) 13:10, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Achtung, baby"

Is it just me or does this phrase never, ever appear in The Producers (1968 film), like everyone (including the article) says it does? It does appear in To Be or Not to Be (1983 film), though (during the very tasteful "Hitler Rap"). --typhoon (talk) 00:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Phew! finally someone else noticed this. The only phrase like this said in the Producers is "auf wiedersehen, baby", muttered by a drunk German. Watch (or rather, listen to) the movie, and you'll hear it. "Achtung, baby!" is from Mel Brooks' "Hitler Rap", which appears in the soundtrack to his 1983 movie, "To Be or Not to Be". Rogpat (talk) 22:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are several sources that state the line doesn't appear in The Producers but I haven't found one we'd class as a WP:RS. There are however RSs that note its inclusion in Hitler Rap: this article by Graham Reid and this book by Ronald L. Smith. Need mention of both facts for inclusion though. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Title a play on "Ice Ice Baby"?

It seems pretty obvious - the song was released a year and a half earlier - but I see no references around that make this connection. NjtoTX (talk) 14:52, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't see it. The explanation given in the text seems the most plausible one. And is referenced as such. If you find an article that mentions the influence, by all means include it. Karst (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it either, let alone would I call it obvious. Does any album or song title that tacks the word "baby" on the end owe Vanilla Ice royalties of something"? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 17:44, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

You don't simply "incorporate" something, you incorporate something into something else.

That's not the case.

There's also other directions other than musical (e.g. public image, business) that a band can take

The lead says U2, a musical band, incorporated influences from "alternative rock, industrial music, and electronic dance music". It's clear that we are talking about music here. No one will wonder if they incorporated electronic dance music into their business.

We should also remove the "stung by" phrasing as this is metaphorical/idiomatic language. Cheers. Popcornfud (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation update

I am updating the pronunciation in the lead sentence. It's currently cited to the Propaganda article, but there's no mention of the pronunciation of "Achtung", aside from the stylization and spelling of the article's title. I updated it to follow guidelines at MOS:IPA; the IPA text should be the same for the German text (in the article body), except the "a" vowel is represented with a slightly different character from H:IPAE. –Dream out loud (talk) 16:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]