Talk:Revolutionary Girl Utena

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that director Kunihiko Ikuhara created the anime series Revolutionary Girl Utena after becoming frustrated by his lack of creative control as a director of the anime series Sailor Moon? Source: "The Power to Revolutionize the World, or Absolute Gender Apocalypse?: Queering the New Fairy-Tale Feminine in Revolutionary Girl Utena"
  • ALT1: ... that Tomoko Kawakami, who voiced the title role in the anime series Revolutionary Girl Utena, secured the role in part because she did not read the character description before auditioning? Source: "ウテナ白書" [Utena Dossier]
  • ALT2: ... that director Kunihiko Ikuhara developed the cast of his anime series Revolutionary Girl Utena using the self-described principle of "never give a character only one personality"? Source: Revolutionary Girl Utena: 20th Anniversary Ultra Edition
  • Reviewed: Lee Chih-kai

Improved to Good Article status by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:16, 26 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Revolutionary Girl Utena; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
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QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Morgan695: Good article. AGF on sources I can't access. waiting on QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:14, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Hi, QPQ has been completed. Morgan695 (talk) 00:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Infobox discussion

While Shinkichi Mitsumune is the main composer for Utena and J.A. Seazer wrote the songs featured in the series, I wonder what we can do about listing the composers in the infobox, since the convention is to list the primary composer who scored the series (in this case, it's Mitsumune) and not everyone should be listed there (i.e. co-producers and executive producers in the producer parameter, co-directors in the director parameter, etc.). See also the discussion at Template talk:Infobox animanga#Music parameter.

Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:06, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

That's why I added a note you previously removed about Saezer's involvement. He's not given main credit, but his contributions seem noteworthy enough to indicate at least to that degree. Sarca sc (talk) 00:50, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

I know. As Seazer's songwriting contributions are already mentioned in the lead, should we get a WP:CONSENSUS on whether to remove the Seazer footnote from the infobox if needed per the revised Template:Infobox animanga guidelines? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:36, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

I think Seazer should be included in the infobox. I imagine the guidance at Template:Infobox animanga that composers credited for "additional music" and songwriters should not be included is intended to avoid infobox bloating, but I believe Seazer's contribution to the series is significant enough to merit inclusion here. Clear case of WP:IGNORE imo. Morgan695 (talk) 02:01, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Yep, one of the reasons why I recently implemented that guideline is to avoid any potential infobox bloating (like adding credits for executive producers, associate producers, co-directors, assistant directors and so on). Of course, TV series and film credits can be complex, especially when it comes to music and animation. Other similar discussions like the ones regarding the Infobox film template come to mind. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:03, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

It is not a musical so generally there is no justification for listing anyone other than the principal composer in the infobox. However, if it is the considered judgment of involved editors that the article is improved by adding other significant composers/songwriters to the list, the article itself gives significant support, and consensus achieved just WP:IAR and do it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:02, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

I have the same opinion on this as Morgan695 and Geraldo Perez. It seems there's a good reason make an exception here, so make an exception. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:04, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

So, it looks like we'll keep the note regarding Seazer's involvement in the infobox for the time being pending a potential consensus on the matter or unless someone objects. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

TV series template?

There was a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga#Template question on Spy × Family (TV series) regarding the use of the {{Infobox television}} template in anime television series articles. Can we use this particular template for this series or leave it be since it has manga and light novel adaptations? Feedback from interested editors would be appreciated. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:42, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

I would say leave it since it has manga and light novel adaptations. Historyday01 (talk) 13:27, 27 April 2025 (UTC)